Curse

Crotalus · Nov 13, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by entropy

Farmers are a huge part of the community whether you like it or not.

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Originally Posted by disgruntled PvPer

PvPers are a huge part of the community whether you like it or not. Implement UAS NOW!

We all got the same update that gave the PvPers the UAS button, right?

Adapt or leave.

Keyote · Nov 13, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

Adapt or leave.

That's what ArenaNet are saying to their customers, and I think it's understandable that people have an opinion on it and aren't just shutting up and getting on with it as some people seem to think they should.

Loviatar · Nov 13, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by entropy

I If they are gonna make it so that you can't solo farm the drops have to increase 8x. Well anet will see. Farmers are a huge part of the community whether you like it or not.

the government cut your porkbarrel farm subsity so go out and work for your crop instead of complaining

i honestly disagree on upping the drops for the very clear and simple reason they made a decision that this area will have this amount of loot and was intended to be handled by a party of 8 players working together and the loot from that area will be split randomly between the 8 players.

they didnt plan the game to be halloween trick or treat with

*AND ONE FOR YOU AND ONE FOR YOU AND ONE FOR YOU........*

if something is rare that does not mean everybody in the group gets one or that even a single person in the group will get one.

i pve and farm a bit but when did this get turned into an agricultural simulator

Numa Pompilius · Nov 13, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by entropy

I have't even played gw in 2 days

So, not only do you hate PvE, you've not played since before the patch got fixed. If you've actually played with the patch at all.

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Originally Posted by entropy

Flaming on forums is my fun now

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You realize you've just stated that you're a troll?

Shyft the Pyro · Nov 13, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by se7en18

Did you read my post?
I stated that my Elementalist was now useless "With my Ragos Flame Staff" implying to anyone with mediocre intelligence that this character is useless with Fire Magic only, not others.

Honestly, you're just setting yourself up here: saying that you only use Fire Magic and that your character is now useless is pretty much admitting you have zero imagination or creativity. Even without getting into different elemental attributes (how much does a 20/20 focus take to obtain? 5 random collector items?) you could at least look at the Fire Magic spells. Firestorm and Meteor Shower not working? Use Meteor, Fireball, Rodgort's Invocation, Incendiary Bonds. If you can't make the monsters stay in the damage, make the damage stay with the monsters. All it takes is a working brain.

Otherwise, I'd be glad to take that "useless" Ragos Flame Staff off your hands

Loch · Nov 13, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

There's more to fire magic than Firestorm. In fact, Firestorm is damn awful unless 3 people Echo it. I myself always preferred the single-shot fire spells since they actually did something before the henchies killed my target.

aron searle · Nov 13, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

So they should make 10000+ post on how ArenaNet has ruined their life? ArenaNet said that this new AI will stay. Adapt or leave.

Honestly that wasn't against the legitmate farmers. It was against the solo farmers. If you want to farm get some guildies together and farm. Hell i was farming for 'Encrusted Lodestones' when this patch came out. I did it with henchies but still a full party.

Coincidently since this new update came out i am getting better drops in some of explorable areas. Has anyone seen this or am i just having some luck?

BTW, i have seen some of the same arguments from PvPers when they didnt get UAS at retail (ie fix it or you are going to be sorry grrr!!). I didnt take them serious and i dont take you guys serious.

Have fun with your new game.

and like i and others keep saying, drops in groups suck.

I would rather farm in groups, but doing that defets the point in farming.

and im not much of a farmer 400 out of 555 hours spent in teamplay.

And again your saying

adapt or leave.

Some people like me are getting annoyed becasue i have to adapt to STUPIDER behavior.

enemies that act like tennis balls, or just stand there doing nothing.

When farming trolls some get confused and stand INSIDE my aoe doing nowt.

you want me to adapt or leave to that, fine if that was my choice id choose leave, so saying adapt or leave isnt a very good way of defending the game.

and as to there being1000+ compliant posts, so what ill complain if i want to, thats how things get improved, people complaining.

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BTW, i have seen some of the same arguments from PvPers when they didnt get UAS at retail (ie fix it or you are going to be sorry grrr!!). I didnt take them serious and i dont take you guys serious.

i was never really a PVP'er so it didnt effect me, but they had a valid point.

for months unlocking skills was a grindfest, pathetic amounds of faction per win, or play PVE (EDIT PVE NOT PVP) to unlock, exactly what the box said it wasnt

skill not time played / that was a lie.(or as new labour say, giving it spin)

Its improved alot lately, but it was too slow to happen for some. (like months ffs)

So congrates on telling them to leave, you REALLY helped defend the game on that one.

fachtna · Nov 13, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

There we go. I had a play with me e/me.

previous skillset:
Flare, Firestorm, Fireball, Meteor Shower, Fire Attunement and res

new skillset
Flare, Fireball, Incendiary Bonds, Fire Attunement, Conjure Phantasm and res (will eventually add Meteor)

Farming at Augury is still just as easy, if a little slower, as long as you have an invincimonk to keep them of your back.

So, if the purpose of the update was to knacker farming, it failed.

Is still an unpopular update :-)

But with enough of that whinging, i am off to see what the 1.2.01 update to x3 has in store for me. TO INFINITY AND BEYOOOOOOOOOOOND.......

Cjlr · Nov 13, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

The update's not a bad IDEA, but it could use a little work in execution. What they did seems to me a bit like going after a housefly with a mallet in your neighbor's house. You might get it, but some people might not like it.

calamitykell · Nov 13, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by se7en18

But in America, popular wins over right. Governer of California.

Where is the game played?

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Originally Posted by se7en18

Did you read my post?
I stated that my Elementalist was now useless "With my Ragos Flame Staff" implying to anyone with mediocre intelligence that this character is useless with Fire Magic only, not others.

Read the post 2 above this one, by fachtna. Fire magic isn't useless. People are already starting to adjust.

chippxero · Nov 13, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Personally i like the update, i think it's good to see a few different elemenalists now as i'm sure i've barely ever seen water spells till now.

I hope they keep the changes, it's how it should have been from release IMO.

Loralai · Nov 13, 2005, 09:33 PM // 21:33

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Originally Posted by chippxero

... it's how it should have been from release IMO.

...not 6-7 months later.

digimonizm · Nov 13, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Alexandria Kotov

As soon as I saw how it worked, I knew most of the players out there would hate it.

**WARNING. ABUSE COMING TO THE AVERAGE PLAYERS SENSE OF SELF-WORTH**

Why? Because most PvE players out there suck at this game. There are a lot of good players, but.... a stunningly large amount of ones that just shouldn't be playing skill-oriented games (Doubt that title for the game? low skill level cap, no godly items, easy-to-acquire elites makes for a VERY skill-based playing field). And this will make it harder on them.

Sure there's problems. But it's a massive improvement. I know that most players out there would rather have the enemy AI just stand there and use soap in the Meteor Showers, and hold umbrella's in the fire storm, but... too bad. Realistically, if little peices of FIRE were falling on your goredenginewhatever head, you'd MOVE. And if any of the people whining about the game ever elevate to PvE, I hope they don't expect monks to stand in their Maelstroms until their life is "at 25% or less" and then move.

And to the farmers out there... I don't think Anet cares about you whining about the griffons and aataxes running away, considering they don't support the idea of farming in the first place. Secondly, since some of us don't listen to them in this regard, it's NOT HARD TO FIND A NEW WAY TO FARM! Smiting is not your only option, and AoE is not the only type of effect that can make you mass amounts of money, fast.

I agree with alex on this matter, i personally love the way the AI is smarter for both the mercs (Healer survives longer), and the monsters (they actually try and survive instead of being easy kills). I think that this is the whole point of streaming content in the first palce, to make the game constantly changing; i mean one week AoE is king, next week its time to try a new tactic. I LOVE IT

meranlliril · Nov 13, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

aye... fechtna and i were talking about and testing builds earlier... we have been duel farming together alot to save up for fissure armour

.... well thats beside the point... with the odd back fire and a phantasm now and again... the old fire nuker is still in...

were adapting...... doesnt mean we want to

Nexx · Nov 13, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Why don't the AIs have different states? Aggressor & Non-Aggressor with random priority scripts. For example, the non-aggressor units could scatter while in AoE then regroup and attack the casters in the back while the aggressors keep the "tankers" occupied.

Akhilleus · Nov 13, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Alexandria Kotov
As soon as I saw how it worked, I knew most of the players out there would hate it.

**WARNING. ABUSE COMING TO THE AVERAGE PLAYERS SENSE OF SELF-WORTH**

Why? Because most PvE players out there suck at this game. There are a lot of good players, but.... a stunningly large amount of ones that just shouldn't be playing skill-oriented games (Doubt that title for the game? low skill level cap, no godly items, easy-to-acquire elites makes for a VERY skill-based playing field). And this will make it harder on them.

Sure there's problems. But it's a massive improvement. I know that most players out there would rather have the enemy AI just stand there and use soap in the Meteor Showers, and hold umbrella's in the fire storm, but... too bad. Realistically, if little peices of FIRE were falling on your goredenginewhatever head, you'd MOVE. And if any of the people whining about the game ever elevate to PvE, I hope they don't expect monks to stand in their Maelstroms until their life is "at 25% or less" and then move.

And to the farmers out there... I don't think Anet cares about you whining about the griffons and aataxes running away, considering they don't support the idea of farming in the first place. Secondly, since some of us don't listen to them in this regard, it's NOT HARD TO FIND A NEW WAY TO FARM! Smiting is not your only option, and AoE is not the only type of effect that can make you mass amounts of money, fast.

could not have said it better myself.
anyone with the time, willingness and ability to alter thier style to fit the game, will have no problem adapting to the changes made in this patch. it is only those who are unwilling and or unable to change that refuse to deal with it.
and tho those farmers saying "blah blah blah i cant make money anymore"
consider this; go into the trade forums, look at the high-dollar-bidders, and pm them and see how many of them made thier millions by farming. i'd hazard a guess that the answer is zero. most, if not all truly wealthy players aquired thier wealth from trading, the potential income is THOUSANDS of times higher, the downsides being;
-unlike farming, you CAN lose money when using trade is an income
-it consumes a very large amount of time (though the richer you get the less time it takes, and the higher the payoff, if you make the right moves).
-it requires an enormous amount of patience and confidence (99% of people sell the moment sh*t hits the fan, which can be a very, very bad move)
-you need to have at least some prior income/collateral to start (you cant trade with nothing), hence the phrase "it takes money to make money" when refering to trading/investing
-it takes a vast knowledge in market prices for items, knowing the "right" people, and having a good intuition for what will go up/down in price in the future.

in the begining at least trading is considerably harder than farming, but the amount of wealth you can aquire from it its virtually unparalleled.

Azian Invasion · Nov 13, 2005, 11:06 PM // 23:06

I like the idea of the patch but the way they did it made about 60% of the characters that were out there USELESS. I also wouldnt mind the old way being brought back because 2 out of my 4 characters cannot be used to do much of anything right now...

tazoa · Nov 13, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

I loved this game.

I now hate this game. I want my money back. I feel as though I bought a mercedes cool and sleek, and in the night someone swapped it for a nissan altima. Its not what i paid for.

I do not support the changes made. There are many other things that should have been "fixed" instead of angering the general population. The terrain in this game has some terrible flaws in it. A-net if you actually want us to buy your next game or expansion, you will need to lift the communist rule. I understand you want the best game possible, but we the people pay for the game. If you intend to continue your current behaviour might i suggest a warning change on the box.

" the game you buy today will change without your consent, deal with it"

Then we will see how sales go.

Thnx
P.S. its just my opinion, right or wrong in your eyes its still mine.

Crotalus · Nov 13, 2005, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by aron searle

and like i and others keep saying, drops in groups suck.

..and that is the way it is supposed to be. You are not supposed to intentionally steal drops from other casual players. By soloing and stealing all the drops you hinder other people's game as well as my game. Sure i can farm too but i dont want to be force to play your gamestyle just because you want 1000k in storage and 100k on each your characters.

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Some people like me are getting annoyed becasue i have to adapt to STUPIDER behavior.

I am not going to comment on that because i am sure ArenaNet is going to improve the AI from what Gaile has said.

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and as to there being1000+ compliant posts, so what ill complain if i want to, thats how things get improved, people complaining.

You do that at your next job. Please tell me how many minutes you last? Complain is good and brings attention to problems. Obsessive complaints is not. That is why i didn't take the UAS PvPers and now PvEers serious.

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So congrates on telling them to leave, you REALLY helped defend the game on that one.

I am not defending this game. I however would tell anyone who was doing something they hate or dislike to stop doing what they are doing. Many people hate this new update and the game. So stop playing and making your life miserable. The only way i could see someone who hates doing something still do it is if they are getting payed.

Also if a person sees my post and because of it stops playing Guild Wars then this community is stupider than i once thought.

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Originally Posted by Azian Invasion

I like the idea of the patch but the way they did it made about 60% of the characters that were out there USELESS.

That is because about 60% of the people playing Guild Wars can't adapt their current character to the recent update. The 60% is your figure not mine. I hope and pray it is much less than that.

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Originally Posted by tazoa

"the game you buy today will change without your consent, deal with it"

You did read the EULA? I havent read it in a while but i am certain it says that ArenaNet can change anything in the game they want. That isnt verbatim but close enough.

Loviatar · Nov 13, 2005, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

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You did read the EULA? I havent read it in a while but i am certain it says that ArenaNet can change anything in the game they want. That isnt verbatim but close enough.

my god you are right it does say that content may change and come to think of it they made a big thing about their streaming content to make changes in the game.